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  • 1.  Ethics Course Question

    Posted 02-14-2008 14:39

    Dear Colleagues,

     

    The management department at my university is revising the list of required classes for the undergraduate major in general management. One issue the major revision committee is wrestling with is whether to require a stand-alone business ethics and social responsibility course. The students do get some exposure to ethics in a law class, an introductory management class, and perhaps in a few other classes.

     

    I know the issue of whether it is optimal to have an integrated approach to ethics (i.e., touching on ethics in many courses) and/or having a stand-alone class is a big debate in the area of ethics education. I would love to get your feedback on the pros and cons of these two approaches so that I can be informed when I report back to my committee. Further, I know there is a movement by some scholars to petition AACSB to require a stand-alone ethics course. Any information on the arguments made by proponents of those scholars would also be quite useful.

     

    In advance, thank you for your feedback. I am happy to summarize the responses for you all. My apologies for cross-postings.

     

    Regards,

    Dave

     

    ************************************
    David M. Mayer, Ph.D.
    Assistant Professor
    Department of Management
    College of Business Administration
    University of Central Florida
    PO Box 161400
    Orlando, FL 32816-1400
    Phone: 407-823-3209
    Fax: 407-823-3725
    Email: dmayer@bus.ucf.edu
    Web: www.bus.ucf.edu/dmayer
    Lab: www.bus.ucf.edu/dmayer/SJO/Home.htm

     

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  • 2.  Ethics Course Question

    Posted 02-14-2008 14:52

    Well, that one is a can of worms for those of us who have been through the ringer!  I will let others take first crack at an answer; but you might want to check out aacsb's report from the Ethics Education Task Force for some thoughts on the content issue.  It can be accessed at http://www.aacsb.edu/resource_centers/ethicsedu/eetf.asp.  

     

    Best of luck . . .

    Laura

     

     

    Prof. Laura P. Hartman
    Assoc. Vice President, Academic Affairs
    Professor of Business Ethics, Dept. of Management
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    Ph: 312/362-6569

     


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    Dear Colleagues,

     

    The management department at my university is revising the list of required classes for the undergraduate major in general management. One issue the major revision committee is wrestling with is whether to require a stand-alone business ethics and social responsibility course. The students do get some exposure to ethics in a law class, an introductory management class, and perhaps in a few other classes.

     

    I know the issue of whether it is optimal to have an integrated approach to ethics (i.e., touching on ethics in many courses) and/or having a stand-alone class is a big debate in the area of ethics education. I would love to get your feedback on the pros and cons of these two approaches so that I can be informed when I report back to my committee. Further, I know there is a movement by some scholars to petition AACSB to require a stand-alone ethics course. Any information on the arguments made by proponents of those scholars would also be quite useful.

     

    In advance, thank you for your feedback. I am happy to summarize the responses for you all. My apologies for cross-postings.

     

    Regards,

    Dave

     

    ************************************
    David M. Mayer, Ph.D.
    Assistant Professor
    Department of Management
    <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placetype w:st="on">College</st1:placetype> of <st1:placename w:st="on">Business Administration</st1:placename></st1:place>
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    Fax: 407-823-3725
    Email: dmayer@bus.ucf.edu
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  • 3.  Ethics Course Question

    Posted 02-14-2008 15:08
    David,
    I think the optimal situation is to have both a stand-alone course and integration into all other courses. Some years ago, I tried to get an undergrad Business Ethics course passed at our College level and it did not pass because of the usual reasons of  "too many required courses in the curriculum" and "what would we take out if we added a Business Ethics course?" Plus, some faculty, especially in areas such as Finance and Economics were opposed to the idea.

    My Plan B was to create a required Business Ethics course for the Management major that would be opened as an elective for all other majors. That was passed. So, we created the course and it has run successfully as a requirement for Management majors and an elective for other majors. It is a popular elective. It is so popular, in fact, that sections close out and everyone cannot be accommodated.

    At the same time, I think you need to continue the push to get ethics/social responsibility integrated/infused into other courses. This is a larger challenge but one I think we always need to continue to strive for.

    Hope this information helps.

    Archie Carroll
    U. of Georgia

    On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:39 PM, David Mayer <dmayer@bus.ucf.edu> wrote:

    Dear Colleagues,

     

    The management department at my university is revising the list of required classes for the undergraduate major in general management. One issue the major revision committee is wrestling with is whether to require a stand-alone business ethics and social responsibility course. The students do get some exposure to ethics in a law class, an introductory management class, and perhaps in a few other classes.

     

    I know the issue of whether it is optimal to have an integrated approach to ethics (i.e., touching on ethics in many courses) and/or having a stand-alone class is a big debate in the area of ethics education. I would love to get your feedback on the pros and cons of these two approaches so that I can be informed when I report back to my committee. Further, I know there is a movement by some scholars to petition AACSB to require a stand-alone ethics course. Any information on the arguments made by proponents of those scholars would also be quite useful.

     

    In advance, thank you for your feedback. I am happy to summarize the responses for you all. My apologies for cross-postings.

     

    Regards,

    Dave

     

    ************************************
    David M. Mayer, Ph.D.
    Assistant Professor
    Department of Management
    College of Business Administration
    University of Central Florida
    PO Box 161400
    Orlando, FL 32816-1400
    Phone: 407-823-3209
    Fax: 407-823-3725
    Email: dmayer@bus.ucf.edu
    Web: www.bus.ucf.edu/dmayer
    Lab: www.bus.ucf.edu/dmayer/SJO/Home.htm

     

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  • 4.  Ethics Course Question

    Posted 02-14-2008 18:47

    Hi David:

     

    In 2002, in the wake of destructive corporate scandals, hundreds of professors and practitioners petitioned AACSB  *not* to frame the issue of ethics coverage in terms of either a standalone course or (so called) "integration" across the curriculum.

     

    Bill Frederick and I organized this petition campaign in response to Duane Windsor's insightful Open Letter to AACSB, which he sent to AACSB  months before that accreditation body approved new standards in 2003.

     

    Based on the comments of those who signed the petition, most thought that "integration across the curriculum" amounted to little or no standards  for ethics education.  Speaking for myself, I think that framing the issue as "either/ or" is a very artful way of allowing schools to pass accreditation when ethics topics are merely scattered across the curriculum haphazardly -- at best.

     

    I won't repeat the arguments for a standalone ethics course here, but you can find Duane Windsor's Open Letter to AACSB at

     

    http://info.cba.ksu.edu/swanson/Call/Call.pdf

     

    Also, if you want to read about the petition campaign, you could get the following article (or I could send it to you under separate cover.)

     

    Swanson, D. L. The Buck Stops Here: Why Universities Must Reclaim Business Ethics Education. D. Reed & R. Wellen (Eds.) Special Issue on Universities and Corporate Responsibilities. Journal of Academic Ethics, Fall 2004.

     

    This article summarizes the various reasons for requiring a standalone course in ethics and AACSB's response to the petition campaign.

     

    Best of luck with ethics education at your school.  As Duane Windsor has noted, the current accreditation environment politicizes the quest to get even one ethics course required in the curriculum. This despite the growing job market for people trained in the area.

     

    Regards,

    Diane Swanson

     

    Diane L. Swanson, Ph.D.

    The von Waaden Business Administration Professor

    Founding Chair, Ethics Education Initiative

    Professor of Management

    Kansas State University

    Manhattan, Kansas 66506

    swanson@ksu.edu

    Phone: 785-532-4352

    Fax: 785 532-1339

     

     

     

    From: Social Issues in Management Listserv [mailto:SIM@AOMLISTS.pace.edu] On Behalf Of David Mayer
    Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:39 PM
    To: SIM@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: [SIM] Ethics Course Question

     

    Dear Colleagues,

     

    The management department at my university is revising the list of required classes for the undergraduate major in general management. One issue the major revision committee is wrestling with is whether to require a stand-alone business ethics and social responsibility course. The students do get some exposure to ethics in a law class, an introductory management class, and perhaps in a few other classes.

     

    I know the issue of whether it is optimal to have an integrated approach to ethics (i.e., touching on ethics in many courses) and/or having a stand-alone class is a big debate in the area of ethics education. I would love to get your feedback on the pros and cons of these two approaches so that I can be informed when I report back to my committee. Further, I know there is a movement by some scholars to petition AACSB to require a stand-alone ethics course. Any information on the arguments made by proponents of those scholars would also be quite useful.

     

    In advance, thank you for your feedback. I am happy to summarize the responses for you all. My apologies for cross-postings.

     

    Regards,

    Dave

     

    ************************************
    David M. Mayer, Ph.D.
    Assistant Professor
    Department of Management
    College of Business Administration
    University of Central Florida
    PO Box 161400
    a
    Orlando, FL 32816-1400
    Phone: 407-823-3209
    Fax: 407-823-3725
    Email: dmayer@bus.ucf.edu
    Web: www.bus.ucf.edu/dmayer
    Lab: www.bus.ucf.edu/dmayer/SJO/Home.htm

     

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  • 5.  Ethics Course Question

    Posted 02-14-2008 19:00
    To build on Archie's point, when queried on this topic I normally compare ethics to math.  Given its fundamental role, doesn't it seem strange to ask, "Should we have just a stand-alone math class or should we instead integrate math into all of our courses?"  Clearly, we need both.  Likewise, ethics plays a fundamental role in business and therefore we need both.
     
    Scott Reynolds
    U. of Washington


    From: Social Issues in Management Listserv [mailto:SIM@AOMLISTS.pace.edu] On Behalf Of Archie Carroll
    Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:08 PM
    To: SIM@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: Re: [SIM] Ethics Course Question

    David,
    I think the optimal situation is to have both a stand-alone course and integration into all other courses. Some years ago, I tried to get an undergrad Business Ethics course passed at our College level and it did not pass because of the usual reasons of  "too many required courses in the curriculum" and "what would we take out if we added a Business Ethics course?" Plus, some faculty, especially in areas such as Finance and Economics were opposed to the idea.

    My Plan B was to create a required Business Ethics course for the Management major that would be opened as an elective for all other majors. That was passed. So, we created the course and it has run successfully as a requirement for Management majors and an elective for other majors. It is a popular elective. It is so popular, in fact, that sections close out and everyone cannot be accommodated.

    At the same time, I think you need to continue the push to get ethics/social responsibility integrated/infused into other courses. This is a larger challenge but one I think we always need to continue to strive for.

    Hope this information helps.

    Archie Carroll
    U. of Georgia

    On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:39 PM, David Mayer <dmayer@bus.ucf.edu> wrote:

    Dear Colleagues,

     

    The management department at my university is revising the list of required classes for the undergraduate major in general management. One issue the major revision committee is wrestling with is whether to require a stand-alone business ethics and social responsibility course. The students do get some exposure to ethics in a law class, an introductory management class, and perhaps in a few other classes.

     

    I know the issue of whether it is optimal to have an integrated approach to ethics (i.e., touching on ethics in many courses) and/or having a stand-alone class is a big debate in the area of ethics education. I would love to get your feedback on the pros and cons of these two approaches so that I can be informed when I report back to my committee. Further, I know there is a movement by some scholars to petition AACSB to require a stand-alone ethics course. Any information on the arguments made by proponents of those scholars would also be quite useful.

     

    In advance, thank you for your feedback. I am happy to summarize the responses for you all. My apologies for cross-postings.

     

    Regards,

    Dave

     

    ************************************
    David M. Mayer, Ph.D.
    Assistant Professor
    Department of Management
    College of Business Administration
    University of Central Florida
    PO Box 161400
    Orlando, FL 32816-1400
    Phone: 407-823-3209
    Fax: 407-823-3725
    Email: dmayer@bus.ucf.edu
    Web: www.bus.ucf.edu/dmayer
    Lab: www.bus.ucf.edu/dmayer/SJO/Home.htm

     

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  • 6.  Ethics Course Question

    Posted 02-15-2008 05:10
    David,
     
    The obvious pro of having a stand alone course is that it permits business/management schools to treat the ethics portion of the curriculum as it should be, i.e., as a humanities course that examines values, assumptions, dominant arguments, and, importantly, this history of ideas.  Having a dedicated ethics course allows the faculty to focus on questions and methods what wouldn't necessarily be captured within the confines of a functional business/management discipline.  At best, the (exclusive) ethics-by-infusion approach gives ethics abbreviated attention; at worst, it demotes ethics to a casual after-thought.
     
    With this said, a stand alone ethics course needs to be diligently designed, with the functional business/management disciplines in clear view.  This is why I view it essential for my colleagues to be intimately involved in the ethics curriculum, in addition to our stand alone courses.
     
    Scott's comment rings true--I don't ever here our faculty discussing the possiblity of teaching global business exclusively by infusion, without a dedicated course.
     
    Best,
    Jeffery Smith
    University of Redlands 
     
     
     
     


    From: Social Issues in Management Listserv on behalf of David Mayer
    Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 11:39 AM
    To: SIM@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: [SIM] Ethics Course Question

    Dear Colleagues,

     

    The management department at my university is revising the list of required classes for the undergraduate major in general management. One issue the major revision committee is wrestling with is whether to require a stand-alone business ethics and social responsibility course. The students do get some exposure to ethics in a law class, an introductory management class, and perhaps in a few other classes.

     

    I know the issue of whether it is optimal to have an integrated approach to ethics (i.e., touching on ethics in many courses) and/or having a stand-alone class is a big debate in the area of ethics education. I would love to get your feedback on the pros and cons of these two approaches so that I can be informed when I report back to my committee. Further, I know there is a movement by some scholars to petition AACSB to require a stand-alone ethics course. Any information on the arguments made by proponents of those scholars would also be quite useful.

     

    In advance, thank you for your feedback. I am happy to summarize the responses for you all. My apologies for cross-postings.

     

    Regards,

    Dave

     

    ************************************
    David M. Mayer, Ph.D.
    Assistant Professor
    Department of Management
    College of Business Administration
    University of Central Florida
    PO Box 161400
    Orlando, FL 32816-1400
    Phone: 407-823-3209
    Fax: 407-823-3725
    Email: dmayer@bus.ucf.edu
    Web: www.bus.ucf.edu/dmayer
    Lab: www.bus.ucf.edu/dmayer/SJO/Home.htm

     

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  • 7.  Ethics Course Question

    Posted 02-15-2008 08:29
    Dear All,
         The discussion is taking an interesting direction.  I have a suggestion regarding Smith's argument about ethics curriculum.  Would it be useful to take a look at what is being taught in stand alone courses and in courses in which ethics is a part? 
         I would be interested to take a look at this.  Could those of you involved in teaching such courses send me your syllabus?  I can summarize the results for all of us.
     
    Muthu Subbiah.
    The Univ. of Texas at Dallas.

    "Smith, Jeffery" <Jeffery_Smith@redlands.edu> wrote:
    David,
     
    The obvious pro of having a stand alone course is that it permits business/management schools to treat the ethics portion of the curriculum as it should be, i.e., as a humanities course that examines values, assumptions, dominant arguments, and, importantly, this history of ideas.  Having a dedicated ethics course allows the faculty to focus on questions and methods what wouldn't necessarily be captured within the confines of a functional business/management discipline.  At best, the (exclusive) ethics-by-infusion approach gives ethics abbreviated attention; at worst, it demotes ethics to a casual after-thought.
     
    With this said, a stand alone ethics course needs to be diligently designed, with the functional business/management disciplines in clear view.  This is why I view it essential for my colleagues to be intimately involved in the ethics curriculum, in addition to our stand alone courses.
     
    Scott's comment rings true--I don't ever here our faculty discussing the possiblity of teaching global business exclusively by infusion, without a dedicated course.
     
    Best,
    Jeffery Smith
    University of Redlands 
     
     
     
     


    From: Social Issues in Management Listserv on behalf of David Mayer
    Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 11:39 AM
    To: SIM@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: [SIM] Ethics Course Question

    Dear Colleagues,
     
    The management department at my university is revising the list of required classes for the undergraduate major in general management. One issue the major revision committee is wrestling with is whether to require a stand-alone business ethics and social responsibility course. The students do get some exposure to ethics in a law class, an introductory management class, and perhaps in a few other classes.
     
    I know the issue of whether it is optimal to have an integrated approach to ethics (i.e., touching on ethics in many courses) and/or having a stand-alone class is a big debate in the area of ethics education. I would love to get your feedback on the pros and cons of these two approaches so that I can be informed when I report back to my committee. Further, I know there is a movement by some scholars to petition AACSB to require a stand-alone ethics course. Any information on the arguments made by proponents of those scholars would also be quite useful.
     
    In advance, thank you for your feedback. I am happy to summarize the responses for you all. My apologies for cross-postings.
     
    Regards,
    Dave
     
    ************************************
    David M. Mayer, Ph.D.
    Assistant Professor
    Department of Management
    College of Business Administration
    University of Central Florida
    PO Box 161400
    Orlando, FL 32816-1400
    Phone: 407-823-3209
    Fax: 407-823-3725
    Email: dmayer@bus.ucf.edu
    Web: www.bus.ucf.edu/dmayer
    Lab: www.bus.ucf.edu/dmayer/SJO/Home.htm
     
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  • 8.  Ethics Course Question

    Posted 02-15-2008 10:02
    SIM members may be interested to know that at Tennessee a stand alone (15 week) business ethics course is required of every graduate of our College of Business.  The course is outsourced to the philosophy department where one person (me) coordinates instruction by multiple faculty for 1,200 students each year.  The course also satisfies a general writing distribution requirement of the university (5,000 words minimum per student) and provides the sort of critical education described by Jeffery.  Everyone around here seems to think that this works well, including the students who evaluate the course very highly.  Politically, there are three basic reasons why we have a stand alone course:  1) Our business deans think it important and provide the requisite leadership; 2) the philosophy department has an excellent relationship with the business school; and 3) everyone is happy with the course content and delivery.  I've not heard a single colleague in any department (at Tennessee) argue for the infusion only method instead of the stand alone (+ infusion) method in the last five years.

    Anyone who would like to know more about the goals, content, and delivery of our course should feel to write me directly.  

    Denis
    ____
    Denis G. Arnold, Ph.D.
    Associate Professor of Philosophy & Director of Graduate Studies
    Director, Center for Applied and Professional Ethics
    Adjunct Associate Professor of Management
    801 McClung Tower
    The University of Tennessee
    Knoxville, TN 37996
    Office: (865) 974-7219
    FAX: (865) 974-3509




    On Feb 15, 2008, at 5:09 AM, Smith, Jeffery wrote:

    David,
     
    The obvious pro of having a stand alone course is that it permits business/management schools to treat the ethics portion of the curriculum as it should be, i.e., as a humanities course that examines values, assumptions, dominant arguments, and, importantly, this history of ideas.  Having a dedicated ethics course allows the faculty to focus on questions and methods what wouldn't necessarily be captured within the confines of a functional business/management discipline.  At best, the (exclusive) ethics-by-infusion approach gives ethics abbreviated attention; at worst, it demotes ethics to a casual after-thought.
     
    With this said, a stand alone ethics course needs to be diligently designed, with the functional business/management disciplines in clear view.  This is why I view it essential for my colleagues to be intimately involved in the ethics curriculum, in addition to our stand alone courses.
     
    Scott's comment rings true--I don't ever here our faculty discussing the possiblity of teaching global business exclusively by infusion, without a dedicated course.
     
    Best,
    Jeffery Smith
    University of Redlands 
     
     
     
     


    From: Social Issues in Management Listserv on behalf of David Mayer
    Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 11:39 AM
    To: SIM@AOMLISTS.pace.edu
    Subject: [SIM] Ethics Course Question

    Dear Colleagues,

     

    The management department at my university is revising the list of required classes for the undergraduate major in general management. One issue the major revision committee is wrestling with is whether to require a stand-alone business ethics and social responsibility course. The students do get some exposure to ethics in a law class, an introductory management class, and perhaps in a few other classes.

     

    I know the issue of whether it is optimal to have an integrated approach to ethics (i.e., touching on ethics in many courses) and/or having a stand-alone class is a big debate in the area of ethics education. I would love to get your feedback on the pros and cons of these two approaches so that I can be informed when I report back to my committee. Further, I know there is a movement by some scholars to petition AACSB to require a stand-alone ethics course. Any information on the arguments made by proponents of those scholars would also be quite useful.

     

    In advance, thank you for your feedback. I am happy to summarize the responses for you all. My apologies for cross-postings.

     

    Regards,
    Dave

     

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    David M. Mayer, Ph.D.
    Assistant Professor
    Department of Management
    College of Business Administration
    University of Central Florida
    PO Box 161400
    Orlando, FL 32816-1400
    Phone: 407-823-3209
    Fax: 407-823-3725
    Email: dmayer@bus.ucf.edu
    Web: www.bus.ucf.edu/dmayer
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