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No doubt the current system is out of whack. We're not the first to recognize it. There's been considerable movement in some fields and at some universities. There's been a fair bit written about it. And, indeed, there are ways out of this, but they have drawbacks and are difficult to implement, mostly because our recognition and reward systems mitigate against it. My sense is that it would take action from a coalition of major universities such as the Ivy League, Big Ten, etc. to reorient how we approach tenure and promotion in a way that would enable us to climb out of this hole.

Best,

Mike

*****

Michael L. Barnett

Professor, Management & Global Business

Rutgers Business School – Newark & New Brunswick

Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey

http://www.business.rutgers.edu/faculty-research/directory/michael-barnett

View my research papers at: http://ssrn.com/author=414796

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Recently, the six editors and 31 editorial board members of Lingua, a top linguistics journal, have all resigned to protest pricing practices. They plan a new open-access journal. `

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/11/02/editors-and-editorial-board-quit-top-linguistics-journal-protest-subscription-fees

Best,

JP.

______

Jean-Philippe VERGNE

Assistant Professor of Strategy

F. W. P. Jones Faculty Fellow

Ivey Business School | Western University

[ website | www.cryptocapitalism.center ]

No doubt the current system is out of whack. We're not the first to recognize it. There's been considerable movement in some fields and at some universities. There's been a fair bit written about it. And, indeed, there are ways out of this, but they have drawbacks and are difficult to implement, mostly because our recognition and reward systems mitigate against it. My sense is that it would take action from a coalition of major universities such as the Ivy League, Big Ten, etc. to reorient how we approach tenure and promotion in a way that would enable us to climb out of this hole.

Best,

Mike

*****

Michael L. Barnett

Professor, Management & Global Business

Rutgers Business School – Newark & New Brunswick

Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey

http://www.business.rutgers.edu/faculty-research/directory/michael-barnett

View my research papers at: http://ssrn.com/author=414796

Google Scholar profile: http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=27_fCmIAAAAJ&hl=en

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way to go

I just finished writing up a cheeky blog on this very topic

http://valentemike.blogspot.ca/2016/02/lets-talk-about-academic-publishing.html

PS:  For those of us in business schools...come on...let's be honest with ourselves.  It's these sorts of value appropriating business models that we applaud in any strategic management course!



<graycol.gif>"Vergne, Jean-Philippe" ---02/04/2016 06:29:25 PM---Recently, the six editors and 31 editorial board members of Lingua, a top linguistics journal, have

From: "Vergne, Jean-Philippe" <jvergne@IVEY.UWO.CA>
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Recently, the six editors and 31 editorial board members of Lingua, a top linguistics journal, have all resigned to protest pricing practices. They plan a new open-access journal. `
 
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/11/02/editors-and-editorial-board-quit-top-linguistics-journal-protest-subscription-fees
 
Best,
 
 
JP.
 
 
______
 
Jean-Philippe VERGNE
Assistant Professor of Strategy
F. W. P. Jones Faculty Fellow
Ivey Business School | Western University
[ website | www.cryptocapitalism.center ]
 
 
 
 
From: Social Issues in Management Listserv [mailto:SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Barnett, Michael L.
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 4:08 PM
To: SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
Subject: Re: [SIM] Major journal publishers - ambivalence or stronger views?
 
No doubt the current system is out of whack. We're not the first to recognize it. There's been considerable movement in some fields and at some universities. There's been a fair bit written about it. And, indeed, there are ways out of this, but they have drawbacks and are difficult to implement, mostly because our recognition and reward systems mitigate against it. My sense is that it would take action from a coalition of major universities such as the Ivy League, Big Ten, etc. to reorient how we approach tenure and promotion in a way that would enable us to climb out of this hole.
 
Best,
Mike
 
*****
Michael L. Barnett
Professor, Management & Global Business
Rutgers Business School – Newark & New Brunswick
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey
http://www.business.rutgers.edu/faculty-research/directory/michael-barnett
View my research papers at: http://ssrn.com/author=414796
Google Scholar profile: http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=27_fCmIAAAAJ&hl=en
 
 
 
 
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Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 4:00 PM
To: SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
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Concur. The question is why do WE work for them for free?
 
Most journals don't even provide a subscription to their most faithful and longstanding reviewers. Talk about low cost labor.
 
Martin Calkins, PhD
Senior Associate Dean
College of Management
University of Massachusetts Boston
100 Morrissey Boulevard
Boston, MA 02125
 
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Date: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 3:50 PM
To: "SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU" <SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [SIM] Major journal publishers - ambivalence or stronger views?
 
Perhaps an article published in a prominent journal or a white paper from a prestigious organization such as the Academy of Management on the pricing power of the major journal publishers might catch the attention of the appropriate antitrust/competition agencies?  
 
The antitrust community has shown interest in business scholarship. See, e.g., http://antitrustinstitute.org/2014symposium 
 
Norman Hawker
Finance and Commercial Law
Haworth College of Business
Western Michigan University
 
 

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From: "Alex Stewart" <alex.stewart@MARQUETTE.EDU>
To: SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 1:54:22 PM
Subject: [SIM] Major journal publishers - ambivalence or stronger views?

I wonder if others are conflicted about what to do about the pricing power of the major journal publishers. For years university libraries have been pinched, and pinched and pinched to the point of cancelling important titles. In some countries, like Canada, the problem is especially acute.
It seems to me that the publishers get free content and a lot of free editorial work from professors, and then charge their universities exorbitant subscription fees. See, for example, this note from MIT:
https://libraries.mit.edu/scholarly/mit-open-access/open-access-at-mit/mit-open-access-policy/publishers-and-the-mit-faculty-open-access-policy/elsevier-fact-sheet/
For my part, I am wondering if I should give up editorial board work for some publishers, and no longer send manuscripts to their journals. Obviously my own actions would be minor but they could be part of a larger trend. I worry that doing this just hurts my friends with these journals. But I feel guilty not doing it.
Thoughts?
Alex
 
ps I sent this to the RMSP list as well
 
 
Alex Stewart, Ph.D.
Professor of Management
Coleman Foundation Chair in Entrepreneurship
Marquette University
Milwaukee, WI 53201-1881
Office: 414 288-7188
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Super conversation. As in Spain, where 2 unknown parties 4 years ago (Podemos and Ciudadanos) caught close to 40% of the votes almost overnight, why do not we as scholars change the game and create our own journals ? But then we have to manage them, which poses the question of being recognized for it by our institutions – or the State. Some journals allow for dissemination on peer to peer platforms a few months after the paper has been published.

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Dear colleagues,

We are all hostages of publishing cartels, because the whole academic career system is grounded in scientific production.

I completely agree that we must do something, after all... the power is only established if one side agrees to be subjugated.

Professor Ray: I'd like to participate on your research in developing countries!

Regards,

Janaina Macke, Dr.

Professor and Researcher

Graduate Program in Business Administration

Faculdade Meridional (IMED)

Passo Fundo – Brazil

CV: http://buscatextual.cnpq.br/buscatextual/visualizacv.do?id=K4763596P0&idiomaExibicao=2

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Enviada em: sexta-feira, 5 de fevereiro de 2016 02:20
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Dear colleagues,

 

We are all hostages of publishing cartels, because the whole academic career system is grounded in scientific production.

I completely agree that we must do something, after all... the power is only established if one side agrees to be subjugated.

 

Professor Ray: I'd like to participate on your research in developing countries!

 

Regards,

 

Janaina Macke, Dr.

Professor and Researcher

Graduate Program in Business Administration

Faculdade Meridional (IMED)

Passo Fundo – Brazil

 

CV: http://buscatextual.cnpq.br/buscatextual/visualizacv.do?id=K4763596P0&idiomaExibicao=2

 

 

 

De: Social Issues in Management Listserv [mailto:SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] Em nome de S Ray
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 5 de fevereiro de 2016 02:20
Para: SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
Assunto: Re: [SIM] Major journal publishers - ambivalence or stronger views?

 

Dear Friends,

So glad to see this conversation. We are partly responsible for this 'marketization' of research and its consequent vulnerabilities. I can tell you the effect is much worse in developing countries like India having 4000 + business schools.

I want to write on the effect of publishing cartels on emerging economies- will any of you be interested to join ?

regards

Subhasis Ray, PhD

Professor of Marketing
Co-ordinator

Centre for Resettlement, Rehabilitation and Corporate Social Responsibility

Xavier Institute of Management

Xavier University

India

Profile: http://hib.ximb.ac.in/Hibiscus/Pub/faccvDet.php?client=ximb&facid=XF317

 

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Ana Maria Peredo <aperedo@uvic.ca> wrote:

Thank you Alex and Mike, I share some of your feelings about this. We as academics engaged in a gift economy with one and another, while the  large publishing  companies are using our gift exchange to increase their profits and power. They do not even fund our research. Most of our research is funded by  taxpayers, it is only fair that citizens have access to the results of that research. In Canada, there was a proposal a few years  about  making journals and papers accessible after a period of time of being published, I don't know what happened with it. 

 

This is another instance  of socializing costs and privatizing gains. 

 

Ana Maria

 

On 4 Feb 2016, at 6:23 PM, Mike Valente <MValente@SCHULICH.YORKU.CA> wrote:

 

I just finished writing up a cheeky blog on this very topic

http://valentemike.blogspot.ca/2016/02/lets-talk-about-academic-publishing.html

PS:  For those of us in business schools...come on...let's be honest with ourselves.  It's these sorts of value appropriating business models that we applaud in any strategic management course!



<graycol.gif>"Vergne, Jean-Philippe" ---02/04/2016 06:29:25 PM---Recently, the six editors and 31 editorial board members of Lingua, a top linguistics journal, have

From: "Vergne, Jean-Philippe" <jvergne@IVEY.UWO.CA>
To: SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
Date: 02/04/2016 06:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SIM] Major journal publishers - ambivalence or stronger views?
Sent by: Social Issues in Management Listserv <SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU>

---

Recently, the six editors and 31 editorial board members of Lingua, a top linguistics journal, have all resigned to protest pricing practices. They plan a new open-access journal. `
 
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/11/02/editors-and-editorial-board-quit-top-linguistics-journal-protest-subscription-fees
 
Best,
 
 
JP.
 
 
______
 
Jean-Philippe VERGNE
Assistant Professor of Strategy
F. W. P. Jones Faculty Fellow
Ivey Business School | Western University
[ website | www.cryptocapitalism.center ]
 
 
 
 
From: Social Issues in Management Listserv [mailto:SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Barnett, Michael L.
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 4:08 PM
To: SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
Subject: Re: [SIM] Major journal publishers - ambivalence or stronger views?
 
No doubt the current system is out of whack. We're not the first to recognize it. There's been considerable movement in some fields and at some universities. There's been a fair bit written about it. And, indeed, there are ways out of this, but they have drawbacks and are difficult to implement, mostly because our recognition and reward systems mitigate against it. My sense is that it would take action from a coalition of major universities such as the Ivy League, Big Ten, etc. to reorient how we approach tenure and promotion in a way that would enable us to climb out of this hole.
 
Best,
Mike
 
*****
Michael L. Barnett
Professor, Management & Global Business
Rutgers Business School – Newark & New Brunswick
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey
http://www.business.rutgers.edu/faculty-research/directory/michael-barnett
View my research papers at: http://ssrn.com/author=414796
Google Scholar profile: http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=27_fCmIAAAAJ&hl=en
 
 
 
 
From: Social Issues in Management Listserv [mailto:SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin Calkins
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 4:00 PM
To: SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
Subject: Re: [SIM] Major journal publishers - ambivalence or stronger views?
 
Concur. The question is why do WE work for them for free?
 
Most journals don't even provide a subscription to their most faithful and longstanding reviewers. Talk about low cost labor.
 
Martin Calkins, PhD
Senior Associate Dean
College of Management
University of Massachusetts Boston
100 Morrissey Boulevard
Boston, MA 02125
 
From: Social Issues in Management Listserv <SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU> on behalf of Norman W Hawker <norman.hawker@WMICH.EDU>
Reply-To: Norman W Hawker <norman.hawker@WMICH.EDU>
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 3:50 PM
To: "SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU" <SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [SIM] Major journal publishers - ambivalence or stronger views?
 
Perhaps an article published in a prominent journal or a white paper from a prestigious organization such as the Academy of Management on the pricing power of the major journal publishers might catch the attention of the appropriate antitrust/competition agencies?  
 
The antitrust community has shown interest in business scholarship. See, e.g., http://antitrustinstitute.org/2014symposium 
 
Norman Hawker
Finance and Commercial Law
Haworth College of Business
Western Michigan University
 
 

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From: "Alex Stewart" <alex.stewart@MARQUETTE.EDU>
To: SIM@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2016 1:54:22 PM
Subject: [SIM] Major journal publishers - ambivalence or stronger views?

I wonder if others are conflicted about what to do about the pricing power of the major journal publishers. For years university libraries have been pinched, and pinched and pinched to the point of cancelling important titles. In some countries, like Canada, the problem is especially acute.
It seems to me that the publishers get free content and a lot of free editorial work from professors, and then charge their universities exorbitant subscription fees. See, for example, this note from MIT:
https://libraries.mit.edu/scholarly/mit-open-access/open-access-at-mit/mit-open-access-policy/publishers-and-the-mit-faculty-open-access-policy/elsevier-fact-sheet/
For my part, I am wondering if I should give up editorial board work for some publishers, and no longer send manuscripts to their journals. Obviously my own actions would be minor but they could be part of a larger trend. I worry that doing this just hurts my friends with these journals. But I feel guilty not doing it.
Thoughts?
Alex
 
ps I sent this to the RMSP list as well
 
 
Alex Stewart, Ph.D.
Professor of Management
Coleman Foundation Chair in Entrepreneurship
Marquette University
Milwaukee, WI 53201-1881
Office: 414 288-7188
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I completely agree with this.  Quality research is the scarce resource, the fact that we have to search out journals in which to publish and have them pass judgment is ridiculous. 

I think the peer review system is fine, but as economists say, rents go to the scarce resources, but it doesn't seem to be the case in publishing.

I blame the tenure system that forces us to get "A" and "high B" journals so that they get a monopoly.

Dear colleagues,

We are all hostages of publishing cartels, because the whole academic career system is grounded in scientific production.

I completely agree that we must do something, after all... the power is only established if one side agrees to be subjugated.

Professor Ray: I'd like to participate on your research in developing countries!

Regards,

Janaina Macke, Dr.

Professor and Researcher

Graduate Program in Business Administration

Faculdade Meridional (IMED)

Passo Fundo – Brazil

CV: http://buscatextual.cnpq.br/buscatextual/visualizacv.do?id=K4763596P0&idiomaExibicao=2

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